Date: 2017-04-23 02:07 am (UTC)
petra: Barbara Gordon smiling knowingly (Babs - GraysonCam)
From: [personal profile] petra
In case you haven't seen the reactions of fans of color to this project, this post seems pretty representative.

Date: 2017-04-23 12:28 pm (UTC)
petra: Barbara Gordon smiling knowingly (Default)
From: [personal profile] petra
Here is another response which many people in my circles have linked to. For context, the author is an Indian woman.

It's important to note that "racist" here does not mean "openly says negative things about nonwhite people." I have never met F., but I assume that as an intelligent modern person who interacts with a varied group of people, she wouldn't do that.

The oft-cited 16K meta is here. I'm much more interested in the comments than the meta itself, because they show what people other than F. think of her thoughts. In this shorter piece of meta she begins an analysis of why Star Wars: The Force Awakens fandom ships two white evil dudes over two heroes who are not white with an assumption that the cause isn't racism. Various people point out flaws in her meta that come from her dismissal of racism, and if she ever addressed those points the comments have been deleted.

If someone writes something, is informed of her implicit biases, does nothing about them, and then wants money to make a film about not being racist, that's a problem. She doesn't have to put a Confederate flag on her blog for me to say she's unqualified to speak for people of color, or that her participation in a project about people of color is questionable.

If she's trying to learn, that's laudable, but making a film shouldn't be her first step into listening to nonwhite people. She's got plenty of people trying to point out issues in her logic on the AO3 meta. If she didn't want the education for free, nobody should pay her so she can learn.
Edited (I found the long meta, linked) Date: 2017-04-23 12:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-23 04:57 pm (UTC)
petra: Barbara Gordon smiling knowingly (Default)
From: [personal profile] petra

In cases like F.'s, I believe the relevant phrase is "intent doesn't matter." If someone does something or says something that's identifiable to other people as biased, and does not work to understand that bias and how to avoid it in future, then they get marked down in the "Not Trying To Do It Right" column.

I have a tendency to presume the best of everyone until proven otherwise. Please notice I didn't and won't call in angry fans of color to tell you why you might not wish to endorse F.'s project. In the first place, they have other things to do and I can copy links with the best of 'em. In the second, I figured you didn't know about the layers of history F. has accumulated in this arena, and I was right.

I'm sorry a reader's offense at the use of spirit animals has made you afraid. The only defense I know of against giving offense of that sort is to do your research, write with awareness, find people from the cultural background you're writing about, engage with them honestly, and take their feedback to heart before you publish something.

Date: 2017-04-23 07:35 pm (UTC)
petra: Barbara Gordon smiling knowingly (Default)
From: [personal profile] petra
Someone who gets mad at you for writing something as it appears in canon is looking for a place to yell about something *they* just learned is offensive, I suspect. I assume you told the commenter that the use of spirit animal was dS canon, regardless of whether Erik's tribe had/have spirit animals in reality.

As for being insensitive to the sensibilities of Jewish people, oy vey. Though now I want to poke one of my Jewish friends who is fascinated by golem into writing Fraser as a golem.

Date: 2017-04-24 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] clevermanka
I had the opportunity to talk to Franzeska in person last year about That Meta Post and to be honest I was not impressed with her response to the criticisms of it. She doesn't seem inclined to listen or respect the feelings of large numbers of fans of color. I was surprised, too, at her words (both in the post and in person). Like you, I'd not noticed racist tendencies but why would I, really? I'm very, very white. What she said in that long meta post and her reaction to it, though, gives me more information than relying on any "racist vibes" she may or may not emanate.

As for your unease with being called out for the use of "spirit animal," I think it's important to remember that canon isn't always everything. There are many things in canon (for all sorts of shows) that we as fans can and should critique and not utilize or perpetuate in our own creations. It sucks being called out for something, but I try to remember that it sucks worse having one's culture appropriated in media and then again in fan-produced media. I also try to remind myself that when someone calls me out on something it's because they care enough about me, my product, and the original material, to say something. So I swallow my pride and pledge to do better in the future.

Date: 2017-04-25 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] clevermanka
It was at a teensy con called Con*Strict, last July. I will be SO SAD if you go to that and I didn't realize!

Date: 2017-04-25 09:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] clevermanka
I attended Con*Strict for two years in a row and if my health allowed me to travel, I'd probably go this year, too. It's a teensy little con (like, 20 people?) and I found out about it from one of my fave fic writers, splix, a long-time attendee.

Also, in regards to the general issue at hand, I don't want to give the impression that I'm telling people they shouldn't support this film. It could be that Franzeska has worked out her issues with fans of color and everything's hunky-dory and it'll be great. I just think it's important that anyone giving them money should probably know there's some capital-h-History there....

Date: 2017-04-26 01:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] clevermanka
It's always fun when fandom circles overlap! If I'm able to go next year, I'll keep you posted for sure.

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